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Sure, I know exactly what you mean. It’s terrible that coaching is prohibitively expensive, and people who could benefit from it can’t afford it. But just in terms of thinking about coaches in private practice, running a business, their fees are what they are. There is something ethically dubious about “helping professions” to begin with.

Presumably they charge what they need to live on – it’s their livelihood, just as it would be for an auto mechanic, accountant, housekeeper, bus driver,  chef, or whatever. Can’t blame anyone for that. Some therapists have a “sliding scale” and charge by income level, but I haven’t seen that with coaching.

What I object to is when a coach suggests liquidating your 401K so you can pay them $150 an hour for ten months, and says you’re not sincere if this isn’t a realistic option for you. Extortion tactics and/or bullying are unacceptable. Offer a deal. Don’t dump on people who can’t do it. Etc.

There is cheaper coaching. I personally wouldn’t pay more than $50/hr.  no matter what – even if I could afford it. Let’s say a coach talks to three clients per day – when you calculate what they’d be earning per week at that rate, the fees they’d need to charge in order to survive become more obvious.

The ADDCA coach training program costs about $10,000. Those people 1) had money to begin with; 2) were pretty serious about their intentions. Most coaches don’t share their methods – they develop proprietary information as their product to their clients. I wonder if it is even possible to learn the techniques they use without becoming a coach – if you didn’t want to be a coach but just wanted to understand the process for your own use. My guess is that information would be a well-kept secret.

Theoretically, a good coach can help you set up systems and structures to actually take care of business.  They can help you identify where you function at your best, and start to build your life around those parameters, rather than trying to improve in areas of weakness. For me it was way more helpful than CBT, although I had a productive experience working with a therapist who also used coaching techniques in a group setting. I didn’t think I was accomplishing much beyond just feeling better about myself, but I acquired some important clues about what kind of career path might be best for me. Didn’t happen over night or even gel mentally for me for a long time.

Theoretically, a good coach could help with the action part. In my experience, having a routine and sticking to it, plus having a “body double” (someone to check in with who is doing the same activity) are both super helpful.

It is hard to find information. I’ve waded around on the web for weeks looking for ways to help my son with his situation, and to help myself cope with it, as the whole thing seems to be spiraling out of control. And there just aren’t any affordable services out there. Coaching is too young a professional for there to be people working in the non-profit sector or at public agencies where low-income people could get access. Typical coaching clientele appears to be solidly middle class. Sort of like college planning – it’s for people who already have everything they need to succeed. Low-income people are disposable, irrelevant, and useless in this universe.

If I were a coach, I’d want to make services available to people who otherwise couldn’t afford it because I think skills identified in coaching are a crucial piece of the ADHD puzzle that could literally save lives, or at least decades of pain and frustration, etc. But like everything else, the market controls who gets what they need. It is an unfair, totally gamed system where people who have something get more, and people who need something get shafted. That’s how our society works.

 

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