how do you called a person who is seeing a number, but it is another one ?

[GALIN]

this came from google translator I’m french from Québec.

I am an adult with add with medication.

I’m a machinist and I work with numbers and my problem of maintaining employment is that I made ​​too many at careless mistake.

The problem is that I look at my plan and I’m looking at a number, so I did the work with this number to realise some time later that It was the wrong number. I was sure it was half inch(1/2) but it was three eighth of a inch(3/.

I was sure it was the correct number.

such as if I was going with an idea and even though I watched several times I’m sure I would see only half an inch.

when I became aware of the problem I went back to the drawing to finally see the true number three eighth inch(3/.

how this type of error is happening.

this is the source of all my problem.

is that working memory problem or attention problem or something else.Is that I want to go too fast ? I always thinking that the want the work finish before i have begin it.That why I’m feeling so push by the time.

give me a way to go that I can do research and reading on topics in order to understand the problem and find a solutions and treatment.

I’m on Adderal XR and an anti-depressant (Cypralex) for anxiety disorders.

thanks you for your help.

Al.

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[Anonymous]

I am not farmiliar with a disorder that causes tthis, but I do that with negative numbers in math. I usually use a positive number or a number next to the one im trying to use. I blamed ADHD but I am unsure. Maybe it’s a form of dyslexia?

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[Anonymous]

Bonjour Al!

I work with kids and I see this kind of error all the time. In fact, I make the same errors myself. Our brains make assumptions all the time while we are reading. It doesn’t matter if it is words or numbers, our brain is putting together all the information we are reading and it is moving forward and beginning to make assumptions on what is upcoming in the text of written words or numbers. Think of this simple example- I put the hat on my __________. Which word did your brain want to fill in for you? Most likely ‘head’. The same thing happens when we are reading technical information about facets of our jobs. Your head is filled with all kinds of information that you know about everything you do.

So what happens is your brain has ‘jumped’ to the conclusion of what size you needed and that’s what it fills in when you read the number each time. It’s almost like your brain is on auto-pilot. A bit scary, eh?

Anyway, I have done the exact same thing knowing I had read a certain date for items due at work and I was dead wrong. When a colleague has pointed it out and I took a fresh look I have been stunned at seeing the actual date (that I had in fact just read!).

It just means when you get to important information, stop reading! Ask yourself a question about what you just read. What size does the plan say I need? It said I need size ‘X’. Then verify that you were in fact correct. That’s one of the reasons teachers encourage students to ask themselves questions as we read. It is to verify our actual comprehension of the important facts and events of a story or non-fiction text.

You’re as normal as anyone except your brain may be jumping to conclusions a bit too fast! It sees/reads what it thinks it already knows.

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[Anonymous]

Now en francais for my friend. I’ve let my french slip and haven’t used it in eons so I checked out this ‘Google Translate’. Now I see why all the French teachers at my school complain. Kids don’t have to learn French anymore. They cheat and use the translator services!! BTW, this is good! I might have tried to write it on my own but I have a pnemonia addled head and my 2 bilingual daughters are out using their French in other parts of Canada!

Bonjour Al!

Je travaille avec des enfants et je vois ce genre d’erreur tout le temps. En fait, je fais les mêmes erreurs moi-même. Nos cerveaux des hypothèses tout le temps pendant que nous lisons. Ce n’est pas grave si c’est des mots ou des chiffres, notre cerveau est de mettre ensemble toutes les informations que nous lisons et il va de l’avant et de commencer à faire des hypothèses sur ce qui est à venir dans le texte des mots écrits ou des chiffres. Pensez à ce simple exemple, j’ai mis le chapeau sur ma __________. Quel mot ne veux votre cerveau à remplir pour vous? Très probablement «tête». La même chose arrive quand nous lisons des informations techniques sur les aspects de notre travail. Votre tête est remplie de toutes sortes d’informations que vous connaissez tout ce que vous faites.

Alors qu’est-ce qui se passe est votre cerveau a «sauté» à la conclusion de quelle taille vous avez besoin et c’est ce qui remplit lorsque vous lisez le numéro à chaque fois. C’est presque comme si votre cerveau est sur ​​le pilote automatique. Un peu effrayant, hein?

Quoi qu’il en soit, j’ai fait exactement la même chose en sachant que j’avais lu une certaine date en raison des articles au travail et j’étais tout à fait tort. Quand un collègue l’a fait remarquer et j’ai pris un regard neuf, j’ai été stupéfait de voir la date réelle (que j’ai eu, en fait, il suffit de lire!).

Cela signifie simplement que quand vous arrivez à des informations importantes, arrêtez de lire! Posez-vous une question à propos de ce que vous venez de lire. Quelle taille fait le plan de dire que j’ai besoin? Il a dit que je besoin de taille «X». Ensuite, vérifiez que vous étiez en fait correct. C’est l’une des raisons pour lesquelles les enseignants encouragent les élèves à se poser des questions comme nous le lisons. Il est de vérifier notre compréhension réelle des faits et des événements importants de l’histoire ou de la non-fiction texte.

Vous êtes aussi normale que personne, sauf votre cerveau peut être de sauter aux conclusions un peu trop vite! Il voit / lit ce qu’il pense qu’il sait déjà

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[Misswho23]

Galin,

I have the exact same problem. I work in Graphic design and have been held back at work and was eventually discharged from my job of 11 years due to those types of “carless mistakes”. I was diagnosed about a year and a half ago and take adderall and generic citalapram ( think that’s how it spelled) for anxiety.

I would proof things over and over and still have errors with numbers or measurements, I also tend to transpose letters. Mostly the letters in the middle of the words. Part of that is visual since the brain does not take in each individual letter. In fact in most cases if the first and last letter of the word are correct your brain will processes it as being correct. Make sense?

But back to the numbers. It got so bad I actually called to make an appointment with a dyslexia specialist. I told her I don’t see numbers or letters backwards like “d or b” but transpose them or read it out loud as correct but write numbers out of order. Like if a number is written out as 764 I will perceive it as 674. Or is a word is transposed I will write it as tranpsosed. the p and s switch places. Sometimes I read words different than what they are is they are similar to another word.

So while I just talked to the dyslexia specialst over the phone she suggested that what I was describing was ADD. I was shocked at the time because I had no idea it would cause that type of thing. She said yes it is a working memory thing. And the time that the eyes pick up the information then transfers it to the brain. I did talk to the facilitator of my support group and she said that I was going too fast. Which is hard because I already take a bit more time to do my work.

She suggested meditation. I know that again. But explained that it’s training the brain to what it needs to focus on and then picking up on the details. LIke the numbers. The ADD brains jumps around so much that you may not even notice and then the perception of information comes in a bit erratic.

There is a condition called dyscalculia. http://www.dyscalculia.org. But I think it’s more with learning math. I don’t remember if I read about the seeing numbers differently.

you wrote “I always thinking that the want the work finish before i have begin it. That why I’m feeling so push by the time.”

I always want to work to finish before I start. And often get so jumbled up getting the work going and then trying to speed up that the information I take in also gets jumbled up. Today I kept going over measurements of 7.25 and it should have been 7.5 for what I was doing. I did a background for a design and of course it was not fitting, by the time I figure out I was seeing it off 20 min. had gone by. So then I feel rushed taking so much time to do such a simple measurement. This also causes me a lot of anxiety and often takes away what I enjoy about my work.

This got rather long. So I will book mark this as a favorite because I’m interested in what you find out as well. I’m still looking for a better solution. Because it makes me not trust my work even though I spend a lot of extra time going over it. I still miss the obvious.

Yes I feel like this is also the source of my job issues. I’ve always been complimented on my creativity and the design of my work. But the poor time management and mistakes have cost me. At least now I have something to base it on and not think I’m loosing my mind.

Keep me updated.

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[ipsofacto]

I have suffered this problem over the years. As an electrician it’s almost stopped my heart sometimes when I’ve realized I’ve installed the wrong size conduit and now the proper size wire won’t fit in it. Most of the time I have been an electrical foreman running large projects. This gives me time to double check my calculations, or print reading. Even so, sometimes I get the wrong number in my head, and all the outside lights around a project are 6 inches lower than on the plan. then I’m in mad panic checking all the different prints to see if there is a coordination issue, and stressing over someone noticing.

No wonder we suffer from so much anxiety.

All I can suggest is accepting that you can not rush when reading drawings, and double checking as a matter of course . I find that it’s mainly when I’m rushing (on autopilot) that these mistakes occur.

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[Anonymous]

Hi Misswho23,

I thought of this before I responded to Al but he is not transposing numbers or making the types of errors that are common to that form of LD. I’m lucky enough to have an alphabet soup of learning disabilities in my spec ed classroom so I get to see everything that is out there in the LD world.

Al states he is ‘inserting’ entirely different numbers when he makes his errors (e.g., 1/2 versus 3/. There is no transposing of number positions at all. He is reading entirely different ones. My kids and I laugh when we see this happening when we’re reading because it’s always a reminder to us to sloooow way down and to stop and ask questions. We actually teach kids to try to predict when they’re reading what the next word will be. It’s a very common reading strategy but it can cause errors if you don’t stop and verify the info. Our brains do the same thing for numbers as they do for words. It moves faster than it should sometimes and gets us into trouble! Bah!

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[Misswho23]

I found this posted by a member on the Comments form Ricks rant. It’s a font for dyslexia. And it does talk about transposing letters etc. Read what it says. Just opened up a whole thought on my problem. I’ve design fonts and worked with type. I know that some are definitely easier for me to read. They also tend to be ones that clients don’t find to be so pretty. And amazingly look a little like the one you can download. Designed by none other than a dyslexic graphic designer! I knew I was onto something with my choice of less than polished fonts. I could read it! I think I will download this and use it when going over instructions and complex information.

Don’t get me started on Helvetica.

Its for your computor and i find it a lot easier on my eyes.

http://www.cricksoft.com/support/clicker6/downloads/updates/open-dyslexic-font-win.aspx

I’ll let you know if I have any luck with it.

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[Misswho23]

zsazsa,

I re read what he wrote and it is inserting different numbers. I do more of the transposing but have inserted different numbers and or words into places as well. In any case I was just excited that I’m not the only one who does these types of things. Not in a misery loves company sort of way.

So I checked out the site for the dyslexie font and it did show an example of transposing numbers and letters. I don’t flip them around or see them as backwards. Just the shifting thing. And sometimes but not as often insert numbers. I do it with 3’s 6 and 8. All have similar open spaces and shapes. I’ve never been tested for an LD. Just ADHD diagnosis. But I know that LDs are very common with ADD/HD.

It is just so frustrating being in midlife in a career for over a decade and still being called on the carpet for simple mistakes and ones where I have slowed down, double triple checked and still have mistakes. I try to have a proof reader when I can but some projects move too quickly.

I remember being taught to predict what the next word will be, so as to start to comprehend the sentence. But I think your right it does lead you brain to jump to conclusions about what it thinks it should be not what is. That maybe part of the problem.

The majority of my anxiety comes from going back over completed work because I’m afraid I’ve missed something. Again. Just want it to stop at this point in my life. I will try the stop and question thing. Which I have done in a way but need to slow it down in more mindful way.

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[kc5jck]

Many of you may have seen this. We should be good at it.

Take a look at this paragraph. Can you read what it says? All the letters have been jumbled (mixed). Only the first and last letter of ecah word is in the right place:

I cnduo’t bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno’t mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too.

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[Misswho23]

I have seen this. I can always read it perfectly. Some of my co worked could not, they were the ones we had proof things.

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[Carrie]

What about dyslexia? Is that different from this? My husband does the same thing with measurements all the time. He reverses his numbers. Or he will take a measurement like you said say 3/8″ and it was a 1/2″ and he messes up WHILE using a tape measure. It has really cost him at work (welding) when metal isnt cheap. He does not have ADHD however… I thought it may be dyslexia. He reads very very very slow too. Hes not good with unfamiliar words. But what I don’t understand is he was tested in school and they didn’t say he had dyslexia, they just said he is smart but he can’t get whats in his head out on paper.

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[GALIN]

thank you all !

those word were very informative for me, I will go check my neuropsychologist for having some clue for the problem. I went back on my ADHD evaluation and l read in diagnosis and recommendations that my problem is(phonological dyslexia with a slight problem dysgraphia) and l will call her for an appointment with my specialist.

I will lets you now what will be the evaluation and her suggestion for diminishing the condition.

AL.

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[Misswho23]

Thanks Galin. I have never heard this type of dyslexia (phonological dyslexia with a slight problem dysgraphia)

I will look that up. I am really suspecting that there maybe something with how I take information in to be causing such a problem.

I have several papers of school work my mother kept form grade school. I’m going to dig it out and take a new look at it. I may find something there that perhaps went undiagnosed.

I’m glad you found someone to work with you on this.

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[Patte Rosebank]

Peut-etre, c’est “dyscalculia”.

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