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Re: NJ-Employer's comments2012-09-20T19:49:58+00:00

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This discussion has gone on a number times on this site…….and my response is always consistent ,but seeing as how this contains a trade apprenticeship element I thought I would contribute.

Chester05, do yourself a favor, read this, all of this!!!

Asking for concessions…..in the work place do to ADD or ADHD…..is dangerous “At Best”…..I know all of these lovely comments posted above are “in theory” correct……fact is, managers will usually mark those types of people….PERIOD!!! Manager must produce…they are driven by numbers from above……if you are incapable of producing those numbers for them they will systematically weed you out, their job and lively-hood is on the line…and that’s the way the business world works!! I was on a management team most of my career….I watched it happen over and over, and over again….I found it terribly distasteful and low, but……that is how it works….law/legal disability, or otherwise…..sad but true!! Also, if you complain about the manager to their manger above them, that manger will go to the wall for the manager below in question….it will go that way…. all the way up the pipe!!! Believe me, that’s how it works ALWAYS!!! They will systematically take an employee apart, ware them down until they leave….it’s nasty to watch.

Next going to HR……let’s not kid ourselves HR is anything but “Human” they are there to either get the most out of the work force OR cull what they term “dead wood, in a legal systematic way…….they are there to keep the troops efficient and lean……they are a management tool despite whatever the propaganda from the is. I’ve watched HR and Management at work……that’s why often HR reports directly to the CEO……they are not there for the staff…they are a resource management tool!!! They guide management in getting a person worn down and out the door…don’t kid yourself!!

Sorry these are truths and come from experience, not opinion, so if you are considering advising you son to take the “OUTTING HIMSELF” concession path, do so with your eyes open…….it is seldom a satisfactory choice for the employee……very seldom…..EVER!

Also be aware of a few more things….your son is an apprentice….in a male dominated testosterone laden workplace and as such has a few things to do.

1. He has to learn to live and work in a male dominated testosterone environment…..it is tough…..real tough, men make it so!!!

2. He has to learn to take the hard knocks handed out to him without a whimper…….and how to navigate through that.

3. He has to understand Senior Journeymen…long standing experts in his field, consider him not much higher standing than something stuck on the bottom of their boot…….he will likely viewed with contempt at best……he is a pain in their ass…TRUE!!!

4. He needs to acknowledge he is the bottom of the totem pole, and as such gets no respect….NONE, he hasn’t earned it…..so, give up your social equality views…. it does not exist in the real world and certainly not in that environment.

5. Apprentices will be assigned every shitty job, every dirty nasty bit of work that comes down the pipe….and be expected to man-up and do it, and do it well, without bitching or whining……..there are many tests for apprentices….most of them are on the job and come not from school but from gaining respect from senior Journeymen in their work environment…..also true!!!!

6. Apprentices are also a money loser for years….and years…..it takes a long time to be worth anything to a Company….a long time, they certainly have no value in comparasion the the manager they about to fight with….forget it!!

Men in the trades are tough and there are rights of passage…….”Man Tests” that all must go through….so be cautioned that taking a “letter from Mommy” to work…….will likely be viewed just like that…. and may do irreputable damage!!!

You may not like this response but it is true…..I’m 62 (retired), and educated and spent most of my career in management….but as I said, I started my career working as a tradesman……about 8 years…..I was surrounded by all trades….this is not my personal slant…….this is what I observed as consistent behavior!!!! So think long and hard about how you want to advise your son………

Better yet find a man….any tradesman that has been on the tools for years and years…..ask him….tell him what you just read, and ask him if it is true……you may be shocked.

Toofat

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