Reply To: How do I make myself SHUT UP?

[That Guy with ADHD]

You brought up a bunch of things that were not relevant. You started the “argument” that it could never be Asperger’s. (No, I started the debate that it could be ADHD.  I never denied that it wasn’t a trait associated with Asperger’s. That being said the thread is about interupting people, not incessant talking.)

I gave you the references. Read, rather than skipping over what I said. (Along with referencing Jung you included references to several studies, not one of which can be verified.  Without verification you come across less like a health care professional citing research and more like Donald Trump crying wire tap)

You probably run this same pattern talking. You don’t want to hear what the other people have to say, just about making your point and getting a response. I see it all the time with our clients. (And rather than debate you choose to throw insults.  Very professional)

I have a list of 100 of the most common words people with AD/HD use to describe how they feel. NONE of them are hard wired. (Again you cite facts but offer no way for the reader to verify them)

No symptoms of AD/HD are emotional.(agreed)
Emotions are BEHAVIORS are INDICATORS only, not symptoms. They are in the process of revising the DSM right now to revise the portions about ADHD.(also agreed but unless you claim to know what the changes to the DSM are that fact is irrelevant)
A thermometer measures the temperature of a body, but does not say the root of the problem. An elevated temperature is an indicator, but not the problem.     (The body does not learn to raise the temperature in response to a problem.  It is an automatic response due to some stimulus.  Much like the need to interupt is a response to the lack of Dopamine in the brain affecting Executive functions.)
We adopt our psychology from the people around us during that time. IT IS LEARNED. We make the interpretations of our world. Our dark side (negative emotions) is created by repressed feelings about…fill in the blank. Just read Carl Jung. I don’t have to prove him.  (There are debates in psychology all the time.  If you are Jungian you say it’s learned behaviour but as you yourself pointed out not everything is learned.   And look back.  I never disputed Jung’s theory that emotional behaviour is caused by previous stimuli.  I only said that interupting is not an emotional behaviour for some people with ADHD.)

Someone with AD/HD that is shaking or wiggling their leg…that is an indicator of an emotional disconnect.  Distraction…an indicator of natural brain function, seeking answers or data and the block…that is an indicator of an emotional disconnect.  Hyperfocus to the point of being harmful…that is an indicator of an emotional disconnect. (Conventional ADHD theory would argue that point.  But you did say that there is no Fact in science so I could be persuaded if I only had the evidence…  Oh yea, I don’t have anything but research I got from reputable sources like TotallyADD.com and books by researchers like Dr. Amen)

Demonstrating this is rather simple. Each time something happens like interrupting, inserting yourself into a conversation or being rude, the question to ask is “What am I feeling right now?” (This is the exact same question most good psychologists ask during a session. Feelings are INDICATORS.)        (I don’t FEEL anything when my mind splinters thoughts into thousands of fragments.  It just does.  And my body has moved uncontrolable since I was in the crib and it is never associated with emotions, it just does it.)

I have our university research we did on the disconnects that occur. (Again you talk about your research but give the reader no opportunity to verify what your saying Donald)

Should you really think the is BS. My wife, spends her days as a psychologist & expert in AD/HD, breaking the bad habits created by TEACHERS in children with ADHD.  (You keep mentioning your wife’s credentials like she will add credibility to your arguments.  I don’t even know who you are or that you even have a wife so her expertise is irrelevant here, isn’t it.  Having said that I will not argue the fact that schools have been using a model of education that is detrimental to people with ADHD)

I really don’t care what some pop-culture doctor says about ADHD (why do you consider  Dr. Amen to be less than the research physician that he is?  Is it because he has published his research?  Well, all I can say is that it is more than I can say about you because I’ve never had the opportunity to read anything you have published on the subject if, in fact, you have published anything at all.)

I see it every day up close. I have also seen adults BREAK these patterns and get complete command of their ADHD.  (Again you talk about your work as if you have the cure for ADHD but give the reader no opportunity to verify what you’re saying Donald)

I really don’t need to prove anything, what I say is common in psychology. I don’t need to show research. I guess I could paste in all the writings of Freud or Jung or you could read up on it yourself.  (Again I never questioned the work of Jung although there are many that do.  While the works of Jung and Freud are a matter of public record they are a hotly debated pair.  Maybe my problem is my unquenchable desire to sleep with my mother?  Yes, there are some valid points to their research but Jung was also a believer in astrology which was discredited by the psychological community.  You did mention that there is no fact in science and that is especially true in the field of psychology.  Until such time as they are proven wrong I choose to rely on the research presented by a community of psychological health care professionals rather than the unsubstantiated  claims of one person on a public forum.)

Unless you choose to Insult me some more I have nothing further to contribute to this debate but to say “Good Day to you Sir”.

That Guy with ADD

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