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>>And thank you for the info about EDS. I never knew that was an actual condition before. I have wondered off and on for a few years now if there was such a thing as “mild narcolepsy” and I have been meaning to look into it. I don’t fall asleep a lot during the day, but it does happen, suddenly, when I am in the middle of doing something. And I often get a feeling of overwhelming tiredness where I just want to lie down so badly that I can’t think about anything else. And this happens when I have been sleeping well at night too.

What’s even more interesting is that I also start to dream before I fall asleep. Not every night, but some nights. I also dream while awake in the morning. And sometimes in the afternoon if I lie down to take a nap I won’t actually fall asleep but I will dream. It’s been perplexing me for awhile and I wasn’t sure if I was imagining it or if it really could happen.<>Secondly, the previous discussion between dithl and myself was not about asking for an official accommodation. It was about asking an employer to make a temporary schedule change one day a week for a few weeks.<<

Even an "official" accommodation can take that form. It doesn't have to be in writing unless that's employer policy.(and it's wise just for "in case") It can be a simple note, email, or a meeting with the boss where you let him know of the need and suggest the change as a possible solution. If temporary, it might be even better or more likely. I believe if one approaches the employer (or others in general) with the approach of "here's a little problem, I'd like to keep it little, after much thought and weighing alternatives, I have a suggestion…"

I have my moments, can't really say it's depression, but I grew up with a mother who had real life diagnosed true depression. I have a small understanding of it, the impact and how dangerous it can be if one is not aware or things go south.
Whatever it takes, take care of yourself. If you don't, who will? You are the single most important person in your life, and if you looked around, I bet you are important in other lives as well.

LOL – this place is fun. And informative. Now I know I have a twin…… 😉
(oops, sorry for the insult calling you my twin!)

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>>Maybe, they are all Public Defenders and don’t have time to get diagnosed. <<
Talk about over-worked…….

Maybe they were/are like me -going ~53 years believing all I'd heard – until I saw this program on TV which just happened to star two people I enjoy watching on TV – but it was serious (ok, so Red Green was serious, too – just misunderstood)
The irony was that I caught it about halfway through and it was a point where they were covering a list, and each thing in that list made me take another step closer toward the TV so I could hear it better. (I turned it on via remote from the other room). 3 questions in I realized the list was about me. Wait – they were talking about Patrick…….. or was it Rick? Both – all three of us actually. So I started digging, the more I dug and learned, the more convinced I was that all these years "they were all wrong". The family doctor wasn't much help – but then he was, too, he actually said he could "refer me if I wanted". I kept taking that next step.
IF you don't know of a reason to be diagnosed, then you won't. If you don't know how to ask the right question, you'll never get the right answer. I found in my years of "research" that to get to a solution I must first understand and realize there is a problem at all, ignore what others say, think for myself, and ask the right questions. The results you get in a Google search depend on your understanding of what key words to use and the right combination. Don't keep searching using the exact same words – you'll keep getting the same response. On the other hand, I've also learned to use the first responses I get to help formulate the question I need to ask. I pretty much always get to an answer or at least enough clues where I can figure it out.
If a person goes through life believing what they were told as a child, a teen, a young adult, then they will never know that there's something going on that they can get help with, than can be understood (never fully, but understood better).
I went over 50 years, and now I finally "know WHY". I have no solution, there isn't any. But knowing makes me feel better – it's not my fault. On the other hand, knowing also means I now have some responsibility. I can't fix it, I can't even manage ALL symptoms on all days, but knowing why – I know to do a few things, a few "tricks" to help me through the day. And I know to ask for help as it's too big to handle myself in my case (it's quite severe and getting worse with age)
I believe any attorney who would be any good with or without ADD can be a good attorney if they know of the "problem" of ADHD – and work with, through or around it, depending on the symptom. Since attorneys have different needs associated with their work – and depending on if one is a corporate attorney, divorce attorney, or specializes in some other area, the needs could vary with each. If you know you have ADD/ADHD, and know which symptoms or issues you have, use that as a tool.
For that reason, I believe attorneys should group together here and help each other. Having a little problem with paperwork are we? Maybe someone has a trick for that in their office.
Attorneys who ask for help are the smart ones.
I'm not an attorney, I don't play one on TV, but I've hired a few over the years, both good and bad (like any other profession) and I think the idea of you sharing the problems and/or solutions is a brilliant idea.
I am a trained/degreed auto tech, I left that field as a career a while back, I've farmed, and am now an IT professional specializing in network security.
I still maintain my work with cars – owning some classic cars, and helping others restore theirs. I also tinker in woodworking having a wood shop on the second floor of my shop building.
I've learned some tricks over the years to help me avoid the pitfalls of being ADHD around dangerous equipment. Maybe getting the thumb and index finger of my left hand (I'm very left-handed) tangled in a table saw made me realize being "accident prone" was only funny on TV. I've learned some tricks I'd share – I'd expect lawyers/attorneys could say the same – or maybe just to share.
I say "go for it". This is the place, they've furnished the space and technology.

(Tip for ADHD person running a table saw – once the piece is past the blade and your cut is done, take a step back, hit the power switch to turn the saw off, then put both hands behind your back and lock fingers if necessary to avoid temptation. Don't let your hands pass your sides until the blade is fully stopped.)

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Go for it. An ADHD attorney is one I’d hire in a heartbeat.
I’ have a life-time reputation for attention to detail, catching things others have missed, seeing sides of things others never saw or knew existed, I am a perfectionist.
Paperwork @#$%@# (I won’t use the words in a family public forum – I hate paperwork and have the IRS interest bills to prove it) So you’d need a great secretary, perhaps one like Perry Mason had. Get someone to do the typing, writing, filing, etc. but as an attorney, I’d take an ADHD adult any time.
The problem would be that the judge would have ya for contempt as he’d not be able to get you to shut up, you’d be interrupting him/her, contradicting him/her and your briefs would be anything but!
But for quality of work, I’d have no fear – I’d just have to remind myself to call and remind you if we had a court date……….

OF course I could have launched in here with some jokes when I read “any interest in forming a group for attorneys”,
but I resisted.
Man was that hard! My fingers hurt from biting them…….
Seriously, I’ve had a heck of a time finding a good attorney, gee, even ANY attorney, who would sit and chat about my case filed with the Iowa Civil Rights Commission against my employer. Some of the “online attorneys” where you get free advice or pay a nominal fee for simple information have said I have a great case and they can’t see me losing, but they are all far away and busy, and I’m not really wealthy.
The last one I chatted with I relayed that info to – he bluntly said “you may have to call or interview 25 or 30 to find a good one who is willing to help”. WOW, I’m not sure there are even that many in our area, and many I do find WORK FOR EMPLOYERS who are fighting complaints like mine. Wow, yeah, right, hire one of them! Fox in hen-house anyone?

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Holy toledo! is that a rambling post or what??

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In response to:
My first thought as I was reading was the option of asking your employer for modified hours while you’re taking the course. I think that is what I would try first……………
…For me being up late once a week wouldn’t be that big of a deal. At least I don’t think it would. I don’t usually sleep more than 6 hours a night. But I never really thought about how that affects me mentally before. I mean, I know, I’ve been told many times that it’s important for me to get enough sleep. But I just don’t know how it actually affects me.

I KNOW how it affects me (and my son). My son gets physically sick and mentally exhausted and is “short” with others.
Generally speaking it impacts short-term memory. Gee, ADHD adults, short term memory, anyone remember what that is and what else can impact it? How about what we “have”? So those of us with ADHD will see MEMORY issues get worse.
Along with that is increased frustration over the memory thing – so you have a snowball, you have more memory trouble which frustrates you, and the lack of sleep also adds to that possibility in some people. We already say what we think at the drop of a hat – get frustrated with something or someone, what’s the result going to be? Not pretty in my case. On a good day it’s best to not ask me if that dress makes you look fat unless you want to hear an honest opinion. On one of those days, take that times 2 or 3 if you also ask while I’m “busy doing something else”, then I get frustrated at the interruption on top of it all.
The “sleep doctor” lady I see treats a lot of adults with ADHD as well. The ADHD and sleep issues seem to go hand-in-hand. So she knew what was up with me in my first visit. Her suggestion to help with my EDS (near-narcolepsy) AND ADHD was to get a full 8. She said as important, even maybe more important in her studies was CONSISTENCY. Always wake at the same time every day, get to bed at the same time every night. If something must flex, keep the wake time the same flex on the bed time. Our brains are often still in overdrive at the end of the day anyway so getting to bed and then falling asleep can be an issue at times, but she had a whole sheet of tips to help me with that as well. I have to be honest – when I remembered to follow her direction, when I was following her direction, my ADHD symptoms were better controlled in some areas. Not all, but memory was better for sure, and my “attitude” got a bit better according to my wife and a couple of friends. But alas, with my list of things to do, anxiety over things at work, I’m getting about 4 or 5 hours now and it’s really catching up with me badly.
EDS – excessive daytime sleepiness. I can fall asleep sitting or standing, I can’t sit in a class situation, can’t listen to long lectures or speeches (that’s an issue I’ve had since birth with ADHD anyway) so don’t even expect WORK out of me after about noon. SLEEP combined with some Adderall XR helped, but the Adderall effect is pretty much gone now, I bet in large part due to lack of sleep!
The other issue that really concerned her was my sleep states and timing. Normally for a “normal human” (thank goodness I’m not one of those and am in no danger of ever becoming one!) REM state starts after about 90 minutes. It can be 60, but 90 is most typical and normal. Dream state begins after you’ve been asleep for a while, that’s why they are often “middle of the night” things – you wake at 2am or 3am from a dream or whatever, for example.
Not this guy – I enter dream state BEFORE I get to sleep, REM happens moments after I enter sleep at times. The sleep study had that poor doctor a bit concerned and confused. I exhibited signs of true narcolepsy, but not enough to be clinically labeled as such, so she had to put me in the EDS slot, leaning toward narcolepsy.
Imagine you are sitting in a room with a co-working going through an online class. It’s been a while, the EDS starts to hit and you find yourself looking around the room wondering where the couch went, and where the girl went that was sleeping on the couch -only to realize only seconds had passed and you were in a room taking an online class and there was NO couch, no girl. It was so real I was actually in both worlds at the same time, but the one was a dream – it had started as I entered sleep. That ain’t supposed to happen!
Whoa, talk about a drifting topic.
Sleep – you need it. ADHD people need it as bad if not worse. The “I can get by on….” is IMO, bunk. No disrespect intended, but that’s exactly what you are doing – getting by. And what do we think of those who are “getting by” at work? Slackers. LOL. Seriously, do you want to get by, or really live and achieve?
I can get by on weeks of 4 or less a night – but I know that’s just what I did. I wasn’t living, I wasn’t my best, or doing my best work.

Accommodations – they are there for “us”. Don’t take advantage just because they are there, but when one has ADHD, sleep is even more important, and the doctors will tell you (well, they ALL told me, several of them) that SLEEP helps ADHD symptoms and consistency if a real key. So stick to a consistent wake time, bed time, number of sleep hours as much as possible, and I’d just have to suspect you’d find a doctor to put that in writing and make it as a suggestion for treatment, allowing you to get an official accommodation if you choose. HOWEVER, one can sometimes approach an employer or boss and explain things, explain any “Special needs or circumstances” and let them know you are full aware of how things impact you and out of concern for you doing a good job for them you’d like to talk about a schedule change.

I got an official reasonable accommodation a couple of years ago. It worked GREAT. I could tell the difference in my performance, quality and quantity of work and general attitude. Then early this summer they changed their mind and yanked it away. Because it was reasonable, because it was no cost to the employer, wasn’t a hardship and had no impact at all on “business”, it was reasonable. The courts support a schedule change when it meets that criteria and can order employers to comply. Even the U.S. EEOC, ASKJAN and other entities and sites suggest that as one of the top 3 or 5 suggestions as an accommodation! The government supports it, universities suggest it. And in my case, I was talking 30 minutes.
So, at the advice of some attorneys, and an employee of the ICRC, I have filed an official complaint. They parallel file with the U.S. EEOC so the clock doesn’t run out at the federal level. And regardless of outcome, if the ICRC deems the case had merit, even if they side with the employer in the end, I can get a “right to sue” letter. And in this case, due to not only WHAT they did, but HOW they did it, and the fact they admitted it was ok in a signed document 2 years ago allowing that schedule, they have in effect said “we agree this is reasonable”. So to change their mind and rip it away with no good reasoning or explanation, I’m told by some they’d be totally shocked if I walked away with the ICRC siding against me. (ICRC – Iowa Civil Rights Commission as they violated Iowa’s 1960s laws as well as the federal ADA and ADAAA, etc.)
And since the boss was praising my work and quality of work during that time, that just adds to the stack of stuff against ’em.

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Many people, even those with ADD/ADHD don’t realize, or forget, or whatever, stress can amplify the symptoms. Anxiety, whatever you wish to call it, it exaggerates symptoms you already have, and can bring others to the surface – symptoms normally not bad enough to really notice become noticable.
One way that works for some as far as regaining some sort of “control” if that’s even a good word for this, is to do the same things recommended for ANYONE under stress or suffering anxiety.
Plenty of sleep, exercise (get blood circulating to the brain), proper breathing (I find myself breathing in such a way I’m actually breathless and at times, nearly hyper-ventalating (sp) And this just started for me a few months ago! (but then meds no longer appear to have any positive impact, symptoms are worse than ever, and yeah, lots of stress and crap at work, and alist of things to do so long it’ll never get done)
Anyone finding themselves in a situation like the original post here – do what it takes (legally) to relax, reduce the anxiety or stress, eat well, sleep well, exercise, whatever helps you – and you might find the ADD back to a level where it was before the thing that caused the stress to begin with.
HAHA – I can SAY it, but can’t DO it!

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That’s how I discovered the site………
Reasonable accommodations in the U.S. are covered under the ADA and the 2008 amendments to the ADA. The latter helps some disabled folks in that is states employers (and others) cannot take medications into account when determining disability.
For example – say you have ADD and the symptoms that “impair” you the most are mostly controlled by a medication. The employer can not say “since the symptoms are controlled by a drug, you are no longer disabled and no longer require any accommodaitons”. Nope – the AADA states that the condition as it exists without outside aids such as drugs must be considered, not the condition as it may exist with aids such as medications. Vision is the exception – if you have a visual impairment and it is corrected by lenses, then the employer may be able to dodge the accommodation since the lenses negates the need for same.
In the case of ADD and drugs, I HATE what the drugs do to me, and unfortunately after nearly 2 years on Adderall, I find it is no longer having positive impact but is instead making me feel as if I’m on a constant adrenalin rush. On the other hand, the “sleep doctor” I see not only wants me on the adderall – she’d like to see the dose increased by 30%! I have to admit, the adderall does help control the EDS most of the time, but while it used to help with the ADD, I find myself right back where I was. And some folks won’t or don’t take medications due to side effects or other reasons – so if the employer says “you could take drugs to control it” where does that leave those where the cure is worse than the ill so to speak (I know, there is no cure – it’s a phrase meaning that the drug or cure makes one feels worse than not taking it at all, that’s all)

Nearly 2 years ago, I fought for and won a couple of reasonable accommodations. One was a slight shift in my hours. Start earlier, avoid rush/commute traffic, and get in a bit if time uninterrupted, undistracted. The results were amazing – better than the Adderall. My accomplishments skyrocketed. I solved IT issues that others not only failed to solve for over 8 years, I found and fixed things they didn’t even know were a problem, or contributing to problems. I became the “consultant” to the entire department. I was solving problems related to things not even in my “job duties” and helped others accomplish projects more easily. I turned our IT department from something folks complained about, or had nothing good to say about into a “wow, what did you guys do, things are faster” or when asked how things were going “I’d not had any problems for weeks now”.
Then the agency director, in order to “control” employees that supervisors wouldn’t deal with individually, decided NO one will work other than certain standard hours, period. He called my wife and I into his conference room, along with my boss (my wife works the same hours I do, but is directly under the agency director) and announced that we’d have to change our hours. I mentioned the accommodation and he went into a simple well-rehersed “it doesn’t matter, I don’t care” over and over no matter what I said, and he finally said “if you can’t accept that perhaps you could find something more suitable.”
MISTAKE. Now I can call the union in as that’s called a threat to employment. And when I asked the EEOC and Iowa Civil Rights Commission what I should do – I got a “unless they can show hardship or unreasonable expense, they generally can’t do that”. The ICRC said “you should file a complaint, contact your union and get an attorney”.
Easier said than done. The ADA is a law with no teeth unless you are a minority in the sense that all Americans relate to “black, hispanic, etc) and the EEOC, Dept of Justice, etc. all say they are swamped, it might be 6 months, then they may not deem the case worth their while.
WOW, in a country founded on law and fair treatment, we have a law that helps guarantee same – and they won’t enforce it?
If I were to go out on I235 and drive 75 you can bet they’d have the manpower time and resources to come after me – and ensure I was fined and paid the fine in a timely manner, but when it comes to jobs, security and fair treatment – “we don’t have time or resources”.
By the way – I work for a state agency that helps those with handicaps or disabilities of all types and sorts find/get and keep “gainful employment” by helping with education, resumes, job apps, interview skills, and assistive technology. Anyone see any irony there?
It has been the year from “you know where” already anyway, before this all came up – and I can see it ain’t over yet.
I am not going down without a fight.
If I file with the ICRC, they want to know if the organization/employer is part of a larger or parent organization, who they are – so they can file a complaint agianst them, too. Won’t Governor Brandstad enjoy that coming through!
Now for the post just prior – if things are going well, no problems, no discipline due to job performance, etc. – then little reason to let others at work know. HOWEVER, if there are issues that relate to the ADD or ADHD and you let them know and you ask for help or accommodations, then you are covered, they can’t fire you if you have explained the reasons behind certain performance issues, and have asked for simple assistance. It then becomes a discrimination issue and is covered not only under the ADA and AADA, but also the civil rights legislation of the 1970s as well. Actually, my own can be covered under those laws, so the ADA might not be called into question here. I have a medical diagnosis, the professionals stated yes, I am covered due to the ADHD interfering with major life activities or however it’s worded and since the employer accepted that originally, they in 2011 admitted and agreed I was considered to be “disabled” under the law. So in a sense I have them there – they agreed (reluctantly, that was sure a struggle, too!) and agreed to the accommodations, agreeing with the doctor that it would likely help. Employer can’t have it both ways……….

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I’m with wgreen – and toofat.

Too bad I sold my bike as I wanted money for a different purchase, and, due to an ACCIDENT, and some comments my wife made while a trooper was present, I had to take the test again (which I ace anyway) and I never bothered getting the motorcycle portion back as I had other interests (I was distracted by an expensive and rare antique engine I wanted badly)

I am with toofat – the bike was the safest thing I ever had. I never once had even a close call. It kept my attention. I was never drowsy (even with my EDS) and never was “unalert”. Part was knowing what happens when one doesn’t pay attention on a bike (I used to work at On With Life, and trust me, brain injuries I saw made me wanna cry for those folks).

Oh, I did stupid stuff – I once worked on a bike for a customer in a shop I used to work in – he complained it had no top end. When I had it fixed I made sure it had good top end. Apparently a highway patrolman on his way to our shop to have his state car worked on saw me and told the boss……. he just said it was stupid, and he was afraid I was going to get hurt.

I have had SO many accidents over the years, but the speeding tickets, especially as a teen and young adult made my insurance call me one time and ask “hey, what’s up here, is there a problem?”

It’s not a cop out or “let’s blame something else on ADD”, it’s a fact. Studies, real-life people like me, it’s all there. Just ask the deer I killed a few weeks ago while on my way to work with my classic collector car….. and what THAT is costing me. Thank goodness it wasn’t the Javelin.

A motorcycle changes me – I’m in control, I’m alert, and I’m an artist with a bike able to move with great skill. Put me in a car, I need to go fast, get out of my way, or, I’m dozing off and have no clue where I am at times. I get there, but it’s not without a “moment” or two of “did I just miss a turn? No, I’m still 1 mile away, or, gee, where am I? Oh, ok, I know now”.

My son since he was a little tike could ride in a car with anyone, front seat, back seat, whatever, tell you of the landmarks along the way when it was all over, and in later years, could drive back to those places himself. He’s got some of the mild traits of ADHD from me, but he’s got those made up for in other ways. But poor guy, you can tell it’s in there lurking.

It was a sort of wake-up call as my wife was there at the time…………. I still have my moments, and I still get impatient, but as luck would have it, when I’m paying attention, alert, etc. – I actually have driving skills that border on professional. Too bad ADHD gets into the driver’s seat before my underlying abilities.

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ADD or not, sensible eating is just plain, well, sensible!

I wish I had the will-power I once had regarding food. Just too many things going on that cause me to fall back to the old ways. But illness, or health, ADD or not, ingrown toenails or not, our bodies weren’t “made” to ingest garbage and be at its best.

I do try to follow the Weight Watchers suggestions…….. which include cutting a bunch of the crap, eating fresh veggies, fruits, and allow other things, but in MODERATION. So you like cake? That’s cool – but geesh, a 6″ x 6″ slice? Uh, how about a small fraction of that?

10 years ago I lost 30 pounds, and felt the best I’d felt in many many years. W-W did it for me. We’ve gone back to some of our old ways, but we now eat a lot more fish, shrimp, veggies and fruits are ALREADY ready for a snack in the ‘fridge’. Instead of reaching in for some junk, how about keeping some good stuff cleaned and ready to grab and eat?

My son and I were chatting the other day and we decided that as soon as humans are born, it should be automatic to remove the gall bladder. Those who have had that done will understand why we said that…..

So a good diet and healthy food won’t cure your ADD, but it won’t hurt you either – some of the other stuff we eat will……..

I believe in sort of an in between – but in any case, all things in moderation.

(I raised my hogs in an open lot, not in confinement. I ground their feed using my own corn, I minimized pre-plant tillage passes and used rotary hoe and cultivator during the growing season instead of so much chemical week killers. That crap gets into water after a heavy rain.)

You want chemicals and drugs? Check out confinement systems……. WOW.

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Google – use it to search this site only.

sleep site:totallyadd.com

for example, will get you anything on THIS SITE ONLY containing the word sleep.

If you want to focus on sleep disorders, you would type:

“sleep disorder” site:totallyadd.com

I use IE and Chrome, I used to use Opera and Firefox but they got so bloated, and FireFox is constantly having security issues – and patches constantly. IE is much better than it used to be, but is now better than Firefox , and Opera just is too weird lately. Chrome started out as a security disaster, but is really clean and fast lately.

I concentrate my thinking on browser security over other things because, well, frankly, that’s what I do……….. and it’s the number one way malware gets to a computer today.

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You can “survive” on it, but do you want to “survive” or live and be healthy in mind, body and spirit?

My sleep doc said at my age (nearing 55 really soon) I needed 8, not 6, not 7, but 8, and to get less would INCREASE my ADHD symptoms.

I was getting by on 4 or 5. In fact, I had been doing 4 or 5 for over a decade if not a tad longer. I thought, geesh, this is simple, I’m ok.

HAHAHA. NOT. I was grumpy, short-fused, irritable, etc.

Do I ever feel better!

(although I’m still grumpy, irritable, short-fused – but it’s mostly the ADHD now, and I’m not nearly as bad)

The sleep center folks stressed that consistant WAKING up time is the most critical. If I needed to adjust, put more sleep on the go to bed end, and not the morning. I was staying up until midnight, and getting up for work at 4:30 am. They insisted I get to bed earlier, and to ALWAYS get up within an hour of that 4:30, even on weekends. so she drew me out a schedule – I am to sleep no later than 5:30 on weekends now.

I also find the ADHD meds seem to work a tad better with more sleep…………….

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LOL – that’s my about a lot of things – this site, our car forum, other sites I like, or even things I like to do.

Once the thought hits me, it’s like a HUGE magnet, and even Kryptonite won’t stop me from getting there.

That’s the long way of saying – Yes, I can relate totally and perfectly

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I’ve been feeling that lately when I go to bed. Sort of chills until i’ve laid there a while. Even then, I don’t mind the cats snuggling up to me. Weird, though – then at times I get to where I just have to strip down a bit as I can’t sleep if my feet are too warm!

Stimulant meds doing that would be sort of a contradiction. Here’s why I say this. I have Raynaud’s. It’s a syndrome where when you get cool or cold, the capillaries actually close down instead of opening up to allow more blood flow.

Let it get cool, my hands and feet will get cold, and at times to the point my hands or fingers go numb – or feel like they are “asleep” – as if when you sit on a leg, or lay on an arm wrong.

Took a while to find a doc who could diagnose it as all the other said “circulation feels good” as they felt the blood vessels in my legs and arms, checked pulse strength, etc. When I was eating at a restaurant on a cool afternoon one day my right hand felt funny and 2 or 3 of the fingers felt as if they’d gone to sleep and my hand felt cold. I tried the usual, moving my arm around, shook my fingers, etc. but it lasted nearly an hour. The clinic was only a half mile away so we drove there after eating. The fellow checked me out, asked some questions, then said “you have Raynaud’s”

He prescribed some pills to take if I felt the symptoms or starting having issues more frequently.

Those pills were a stimulant – which causes blood vessels to open up and allow more blood flow, warming the extremities.

So if our meds which are stimulants can cause a “cold feeling”, it just seems counter-logical to me, a non-doctor.

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Inconvenient has heck, isn’t it?!

I have 2 hard-hats at home if you’d like to borrow one until the hippo thing stops.

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That explains why I suddenly have 4 staple removers..

Geesh, I lose things mess or not.

My wife says she’s going to hire my D-I-L to come in and organize my filing. I said – go for it!

I’ve lost more hours and days looking for papers, or whatever.

I did have a very organized office once. It was neat, clean, organized, looked very nice. That was my first day here. And the last day it was like that.

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