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AgumentativeOne: “Anecdotal comments serve no purpose”

In psychology, the patient’s perspective is the primary thing that matters. Your comments implying that the patients perspective doesn’t matter (they could be delusional, etc) are scary. As long as they are not committed to an institution, not even a doctor like Barkley would force someone to take meds. I think I’ll start calling you the ADD Nazi!

Today I took 27mg of Concerta instead of my usual 36 since I was alone for the morning.

If you were my doctor would you make me take more even if I am pleased with the results of 36mg but my Barkley scales were still not normal?

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p.s. forgot about Moyzis, so there is evidence of positives in ADD.

“ obtaining evidence of positive selection acting at the human dopamine receptor D4 (DRD4) gene locus, associated with attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and the personality trait of novelty seeking, and C) uncovering the evidence of extensive recent positive selection throughout the human genome.”

http://www.biochem.uci.edu/faculty/moyzis.html

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Wgreen: I agree there is no probably clinical evidence to say that ADD is a blessing(at least I haven’t seen any). It seems you are trying to get me to argue against a different premise than what I originally said; one that you have a better chance of winning against.

Although I asked you to take some perspective to see things from someone else’s view, you have chosen not to do that. Your position seems to be that if some people see some benefits to their ADD, they have to objectively prove it before you are prepared to accept that it could be true.

To make a sarcastic analogy, could you imagine what it would be like if ADD kids had to prove they felt better to avoid taking their Ritalin?

Kid: “I feel better and have more fun without my Ritalin so I stopped taking it.”

Doc: “Your ADD scores got worse, and your parents say your behavior is problematic again, so you’ll have to keep taking it. If you can prove you feel better without the Ritalin, then I’ll take you off it.”

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Wgreen: you sound like billd when you said, “If somebody could tell me how my ADD has been a blessing, I’d be all ears.”

Both of you are focusing on YOUR experience. Take some time to try to step into the shoes of other people.

Barkley has said there is “nothing positive” about ADD. My experience and that of some others differs from this.

Either Barkley is wrong, or anyone like myself doesn’t really have ADD. And since a belief that there is nothing positive about it isn’t part of the DSM criteria, I’d assert that Barkley is wrong on this point. Another reason I have for thinking that is Barkley has an emotional attachment to the issue given his brother had it.

Now if Barkley backed off from the absolute “nothing positive” position to say perhaps there is “nothing positive for most people with ADD” then I would have less of an issue with that.

An easy way to prove Barkley wrong would be to survey people diagnosed with ADD and ask them if their ADD has any positives for them. If we find one person, then that proves Barkley wrong.

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I’ve met women who communicate directly, and men who communicate indirectly. I do agree that women seem to use indirect more than men though. I think this is due to the more social nature of women. I think women use communication as a means to connect more so than men. Guys tend to use it to exchange information; I was pleasantly surprised this distinction. Now I don’t get as impatient when people don’t get to the point (or even just talk without any useful information getting exchanged).

I think the biggest problem arises when indirect communication is used to attempt to convey information. i.e. conveying to your husband that you want him to take out the garbage.

http://www.cgstock.com/relationships/communication

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pete-puma: you seem to get caught in the same trap as I do with analyzing things. I’d bet your EQ/SQ put you well into the aspergers/autistic range. I’d recommend Gladwell’s Blink. It makes a great argument about the benefits of experienced emotional decisions. I still suck at relying on my gut, partly because I ENJOY analyzing things. However I’m really intrigued by the idea that I can program my emotional brain so that I can analyze a situation in parallel rather than the much slower serial process my prefrontal cortex uses.

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Sounds interesting, but the release doesn’t have any details of new genes involved in ADHD. The release focuses on the CNVs; 19 inherited CNVs out of 248 is only 7.7%. I’ll see if I can find the full report somewhere.

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According to this doctor, 27mg concerta = 6mg ritalin 3x daily.

http://www.addadhdblog.com/concerta-getting-the-right-dose/#4c2a2

I’m an adult & weigh ~75kg. I’ve tried 27 & 36mg concerta. No nausea or headaches (I always eat a full breakfast when I take it). I do get a strange (but not uncomfortable) sensation inside my head in the first few hrs. 36mg works well for me, but 27 doesn’t do much. I’d like to try 54, and try ritalin SR and generic methylphenidate for times when I don’t need the effect of the concerta for the whole day.

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Here’s an article on the evidence of genetic selection of one gene mutation associated with ADHD.

http://www.gunjansinha.com/popsci_caveman.html

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Did the doctor say 27mg concerta is equivalent to 10mg 3x daily? I would have expected them to use 36mg concerta instead, as I’ve read it’s equivalent to 8mg 3x daily.

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pete-puma: it seems like you’ve jumped from the floor of the courtroom to behind the bench. “Saying so is insulting, hurtful and ignorant”

I’m sure you are just expressing your opinion, rather than trying to express some psychological fact, so people should keep that in mind or else they are likely to get the impression that you think you are the judge of acceptable behavior.

I have yet to see anything written in these forums that I think was intentionally hurtful. I’ve seen some things written in what seems to be frustration or anger that could be hurtful. I’ve also seen some boasting that could be interpreted as condescending.

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billd: I think I understand where you are coming from. I’ve pissed lots of people too, and am often confused as my intention is not to piss them off. On top of that my instinctive emotional perceptions put me in the aspergers category. And when I unintentionally offend people, they are used to other people sensing their annoyance, feeling a bit guilty, and apologizing. Instead when I feel confused, the other person senses I have no empathy for them, often interprets it as arrogance on my part, and gets more upset.

One of my biggest revelations has been that each person is responsible for their own feelings. So I try not to offend other people (while still accepting who I am), and if they get pissed off, it’s not my fault.

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In Canada you can get free psychiatric services. Ask your family doctor. I’ve had several 1hr sessions, and didn’t have to pay anything. I think the service is just as good as what I was getting from seeing a psychologist, and the doctors can prescribe whereas a psychologist can’t.

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pete-puma: sorry to poke at your argument, but there is a third possiblity. ADHD may have had no tangible net impact on Phelps’ performance.

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Mindfulness was helpful for me. By paying attention to how I felt, I could catch the times when I was a bit stressed. Then I would do something to relax (go for a walk, listen to music, etc.)

It didn’t help when I was focused. i.e. interrupt me in the middle of writing an important email and I’d probably yell at you.

Having taken concerta, I know know what it feels like not to be driven to react like a reflex.

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