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I was just heading to bed but reading this has made me hungry! Darn…..
I checked out the web site and the message I got was:
“www.frustratednormals.com is unavailable or may not exist”.
Now, I am guessing that’s a real message but I think it’s funny. Otherwise, someone has the same sense of humour as me.Off to find a midnight snack now…….despite taking Dex which is similar to Vyvanse and despite all the talk on the other threads about it suppressing appetite, I find I more than make up for than once it wears off!
Don’t let the norms get under your skin – they really can’t help the way they act. It’s all to do with their frontal lobes being too big for them to handle. 🙂
REPORT ABUSE@seabassd – where are you meant to cook fish if not in the kitchen? Do ‘normals’ have a special fish-cooking shed in the garden? Or do they just eat sushi?
I was really impressed you had some Febrez – I ran out after a series of burnt meals and forget to get more. So in my book that’s major brownie points – and anyway, the smell goes.
I think what is the shame there is that you did all the right things and the person that slipped just didn’t see that. The difference…..’we’ would probably have thought let’s have some fun on the new ice rink!
I completely get what you’re saying about the other stuff. That unpaid library fine is up to us, not up to them and nobody’s business but ours. Normals can be very judgemental and condescending – they probably don’t realise it. I do think we need to pity them. How awful to go through life with everything so perfect. How do they cope? Maybe we should set up a thread for frustrated normals?
I hope you got to eat the fish before the slippage?
REPORT ABUSEI ask my psych to name the trade name and not the chemical name on the script. In the UK they have to honour that (I think). On saying that, I take what I get with the dex but when I took MPH I used to ask for Ritalin. The variation between generics and the ‘real thing’ does seem real. Why? I guess it depends on the drug. With Concerta it boils down to the delivery system being better than with the ‘equivalent’ generics (or so I have read). With the short acting meds the difference shouldn’t be noticeable but it is – at least I found that with the versions of MPH I tried. Why? I don’t know, but would guess at the active ingredient being a slightly different chemical nature but the filler substance is likely to be different. Guess it’s like the difference between Heinz Beans and supermarket-own-brand beans. Beans are beans but the tomato sauce filler is world’s apart and I know which beans I prefer. 🙂
REPORT ABUSEThat’s interesting. Berkley said in one of his videos that CBT is useless for ADHD if there is a bit of defiance in the mix but someone with the more inattentative form will be more likely to benefit. At least that was my understanding.
The article you mention blackdog sounds interesting. I sometimes wonder how I motivated myself through college and to a reasonably level of education despite the hours, the struggle and the long nights. In contrast I find it difficult to motivate myself now.
So the difference? Then, I had a great feeling that I didn’t want to let down those that helped me and had faith in me despite my failings. The teachers that went the extra mile and my mother who sacrificed an awful lot in difficult circumstances so that I could have an education. I was lucky in that I knew what I wanted to do, but I think the driver was that feeling of some loyalty and not wanting to fail them.
These people no longer exist in my life apart from as memories. I have absolutely no respect for my current work colleagues (apart from one or two, but they don’t have an interest in my career progression/success or otherwise). I feel defiant in the face of authority at work. Also, I am older now and don’t have the energy anymore to work long hours and late nights just to keep up.
So the last two posts made me think about motivation. The source of motivation has to be very deep if the end in itself is not sufficiently motivating. So this isn’t about me – but about the drivers in life and how to rekindle a driver when one disappears. I’ll have to look into it more….assuming I get around to it! 🙂
REPORT ABUSEHello bry27 – to be honest I doubt anyone on the forum is really qualified to answer your question unless we have any doctors or pharmacists lurking amongst us?
I can see why you are concerned. The cocktail of drugs your wife takes does seem quite mixed. They seem to be a mix of drugs related to depression but there are some pain killers in there too. I presume she must have some medical condition that necessitates having pain relief?
The Vyvanse does seem high – according to the web the max. dose is 70 mg but I am sure I have read posts here where people have been prescribed higher doses than that. Maybe she has a high dose to counteract any drowsiness that the antidepression drugs might induce?
I really can’t answer your question – I just wanted to respond so you know that your post has been read and to keep it near the top in case someone who knows more sees it.
My gut feeling is that the mix is a lot – and the one suggestion I’d make is maybe you could have a chat with a pharmacist (a different one from the one she uses perhaps) and get advice about whether the drugs are OK to be taken together and that mixing them isn’t making her sleepy.
She does seem to sleep excessively, but whether that is because she has depression or some other illness, or whether it’s because of the mix of drugs I wouldn’t know. Klonopin is a sedative used for seizures and panic attacks?
Given your wife’s medical history it is possible that the meds are all keeping her levelled and there’s no need to worry. But if you are concerned, then the starting point would be to make sure that a pharmacist lets you know the contraindications of the drugs – i.e. are they OK if mixed? They are prescription drugs so her doctors should be aware.
It would potentially be dangerous to suggest she stops taking them if they are needed.
I understand your concerns and hopefully a pharmacist will be able to give you peace of mind.
REPORT ABUSEI hate them. If I have got used to something and it’s embedded in my brain, an alteration of that thing really grates. Can’t think of a musical example.
When I was a kid, I was taught a particular version of ‘The Lord’s Prayer’. That is something I have just known for years. But there is a trend in the UK for ‘dumbing it down’ (at least in my view) – so they say sins instead of trespasses and them instead of those…etc. So if I am ever at a Church service and that prayer is said ‘incorrectly’ (in my view – or at least, differently from the version I was taught) the whole experience is lost and my brain rebels. I wouldn’t call it a meltdown, but certainly an agitation. I am not sure it my brain is rebelling because of what I perceive as unnecessary change, or whether it’s because the new words are different from what my brain is expecting?
REPORT ABUSEJuly 31, 2014 at 1:34 am in reply to: The issue of who to tell and who not to tell about my ADHD #125661‘it’ in the context of the last line in my post above means ADHD of course. My point being that she believes there is less stigma attached to depression than to ADHD. 🙂
REPORT ABUSEJuly 30, 2014 at 12:26 pm in reply to: The issue of who to tell and who not to tell about my ADHD #125655I think disclosing is on a need to know basis. The problem is the ridiculous name that the disorder has. It trivialises it. It is a bit like calling measles ‘a bit of a rash’.
If I need some accommodation at work I will ask for it but will be specific – for example, instead of saying ‘I need a quiet space because I have ADHD’ I will say ‘I need a quiet space because it will help me be more productive’.
With regard to friends, I don’t say anything. They know what I am like and that’s that. I think I’d rather say I have neurotransmitter deficit that affects my executive functioning. They won’t know what you mean! 🙂
If ‘they’ would just give it a sensible name and if the popular press would describe it properly instead of just being forgetful and not being able to complete tasks then it would make our like easier with respect to being able to discuss it.
The problem is, when you are being diagnosed you want to discuss it. When I was at that stage I relied heavily on this site because it’s full of people who ‘get it’ and who won’t judge or dismiss.
My hairdresser clearly has ADHD but she was recently diagnosed with depression. I suggested to her that she gets assessed for ADHD but she said she’d rather be labelled with depression because of the bad press and stigma associated with it. Says it all really.
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REPORT ABUSEseabassd – re. your observation:
“…success, followed by boredom, then self-sabatoge, situational anxiety, eventually a drop into depression, struggle to overcome, resolve, action, and then success again which then allows the cycle to start over.”
It couldn’t be more true. That is exactly how my life seems to work, although maybe I would add ‘stress’ after your ‘situational anxiety’. The ‘depression’ varies in length, depending on whether the ‘stress phase’ gets my brain going sufficiently and if it does I can sometimes by-pass the ‘depression’. If others start to interfere, such as colleagues who don’t have any concept of how I work, then the ‘depression’ stage can kick in big time.
It seems so obvious really, but it takes insight to put it into words and enough awareness to realise what is going on.
REPORT ABUSEHi forestcitymike – thanks for your post and welcome to the forum.
I think it’s quite common for those of us with ADHD to self medicate until we manage to get a diagnosis and work out what’s wrong. Well done for kicking the opiates into touch – it can’t have been easy.
I took Concerta for a short time and it was fantastic until it started making me feel emotional. Feeling it kicking in was weird. But the short release methylphenidate was fine yet it’s the same drug. So I do believe that the method of release and/or the carrier substances work differently on different folk. I am glad you found biphentin and that it works well. I hadn’t heard of it before – it isn’t used in the UK, but it sounds good.
REPORT ABUSE@blackdog – aaahaha. I want to know now!! You are such a temptress. 🙂
Why not start a new thread…… or……given that you have ADHD just break the rule. Since when have we EVER (a) done what we are told and (b) kept a thread as it is meant to be? That Vyvanse is clearly something fantastic. 🙂
Where have all the smiley icons gone? I am going to have to learn how to do more that just 🙂
REPORT ABUSEHi – it wouldn’t let me post a reply yesterday so I sent you a private message instead.
REPORT ABUSESorry for the double post – it wouldn’t allow me to post before and I hit the return key too many times – what was I saying about anger management……… 🙂
REPORT ABUSEnemesis – I take dexamphetamine which is a similar drug but it’s quick release form. I only take 5 mg two or three times a day and that’s enough. I am not sure what that is equivalent to for Vyvanse but 60 mg at once sounds a lot? Dex is much stronger than Ritalin and I only need a fraction of the dose of dex relative to what I was on when I took Ritalin to get a similar effect. Perhaps your doctor thinks 60 mg is equivalent to what you were on – but even so, s/he should start low and titrate up. According to Dr Parker with Vyvanse you shouldn’t feel like the drug is kicking in so it sounds like your dose is too high.
I also feel more mature when I take dex – it’s odd – it’s like my toys have been taken away so I may as well do my homework and I feel very ‘grown up”. I also find it good for anger management. I used to find it hard to sleep when I started taking it but that’s fading now and as long as I chill before bedtime it’s fine. In contrast, Ritalin always made it easy for me to sleep from day one.
I notice when I have a drug break for a day I clench my jaw and grind my front teeth.
I think you need to discuss your dose with your doctor.
REPORT ABUSEnemesis – I take dexamphetamne which is a similar drug but it’s quick release form. I only take 5 mg two or three times a day and that’s enough. I am not sure what that is equivalent to for Vyvanse but 60 mg at once sounds a lot? Dex is much stronger than Ritalin and I only need a fraction of the dose of dex relative to what I was on when I took Ritalin to get a similar effect. Perhaps your doctor thinks 60 mg is equivalent to what you were on – but even so, s/he should start low and titrate up. According to Dr Parker with Vyvanse you shouldn’t feel like the drug is kicking in so it sounds like your dose is too high.
I also feel more mature when I take dex – it’s odd – it’s like my toys have been taken away so I may as well do my homework and I feel very ‘grown up”. I also find it good for anger management. I used to find it hard to sleep when I started taking it but that’s fading now and as long as I chill before bedtime it’s fine. In contrast, Ritalin always made it easy for me to sleep from day one.
I notice when I have a drug break for a day I clench my jaw and grind my front teeth.
I think you need to discuss your dose with your doctor.
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